Will Phojo run on the iPhone?

I would really love for Phojo to be able to run on the iPhone. The OS is definitely up to Phojo’s specs, but the hardware is missing some crucial features. Like a card slot ;) In fact, compared to state of the art Pocket PC Phones, the tech specs for the iPhone are actually a little disappointing. The 320×480 phone is half the resolution of the screen used by the HTC Universal, and VGA Pocket PCs like the Axim. The EDGE radio is a full 2 generations behind the state of the art. Cingular’s fastest network speed requires HSDPA support, as seen on the Cingular 8525 mentioned below, which provides 25KB/s+ upload speeds – far in excess of anything EDGE can deliver. But, the iPhone is sex on a stick, and sure to sell by the 10s of millions.

So, apart from it not having a card slot, any other problems? Will the iPhone actually allow 3rd party applications to be installed? I didn’t see this confirmed anywhere. It would be disappointing if they lock it down, but not without precedent.

UPDATE:
David Pogue has posted a list of FAQs, and I`m afraid the answer would appear to be no, Apple will not be allowing 3rd party apps to run on the iphone.
the-ultimate-iphone-frequently-asked-questions

Move along, nothing to see here.. Check out the T830 and 8525 reviews, both kick the iphone all over the playground for Phojo use, and are shipping now!

35 Responses to “Will Phojo run on the iPhone?”


  1. 1 Paul Nolan January 10, 2007 at 9:39 am

    Someone just asked in am email “is this the end of Pocket PCs?”

    Quite the opposite, I`m hoping the iPhone will motive Microsoft and HTC to do some real innovation too. The pace has definitely slowed since the heady days of the first iPAQ. Microsoft has had personal media players and Zunes and Pocket PCs and SmartPhones, but never managed to glue it all together, this should really kick off some innovation in the market. Pocket PC Phones are assured of a continued existence due to corporate sales. Imagine trying to get the pointy haired boss to issue non Microsoft “toys” that employees can use to spend all day watching TV and listening to music ;)

  2. 2 John Koster January 10, 2007 at 7:25 pm

    In my opinion the power behind the iPhone is it’s OSX operating system and patented interface. This little thing will be fast, very fast and verything can be updated by system updates.

    The iPhone weaknesses are, Cingular’s monopoly of the iPhone and the iPod copy protection forced by the music and film industry. This might affect if the iPhone will allow 3rd party applications to be installed?

    Even if Cingular’s monopoly of the iPhone hurts it at first, the iPhone might be a preview of the next generation Mac computers. The OSX in the iPhone is such great software it will be very hard for anyone to create an operating system and patented interface that good in a mini device. I really believe Apple just reinveted how the computer will be used and it will take two years until they can break free from Cingular’s Apple monopoly. I say PPC’s have two more years until everyone will buy a iPhone type devices.

    The sad part is that Microsoft had all this technology years ago and spent all their time trying to make a zune to compete with iPod and Vista to compete with OSX last year. I just don’t imagine Microsoft doing anything better then trying to make an iPhone copy and by the time they have that, Apple will have something revolutionary. The power in the iPhone is the operating system and the competitor Microsoft track record recently does not look good.

  3. 3 Mitchell Zachs June 13, 2007 at 11:12 pm

    So glad to see the advancement of the Phojo. The word that best describes Phojo is “Wow.” I for one who will be buying an 8 gig iPhone would like to see Phojo apart of it. It would be a great fit. Here are several considerations to think about and to play devils advocate from these other posts have said.

    1) No where is it said that Apple won’t allow 3rd party apps and I have read stories that they will encourage it as with the MAC. MAC already has a problem with not having the software selections that Windows has.

    2) With the advent of the iPhone being able to access ever increasing thousands of WiFi spots around the nation and world then the speed of the Edge Network may not be a factor. Possibly and likely the iPhone could and would spur more businesses to offer WiFi to attract the millions expected to purchase the iPhone.

    3) There is a perception that the MAC OS is better suited to pictures and graphics then Windows which is the best reason the iPhone would make a great fit with the Phojo.

    4) How difficult would it be to come up with a multi card reader that attaches via cable or bluetooth that would permit the amateur photographer and professional to access Phojo on an iPhone? Imagine that in one device you can have all your ftp access, e-mail, contacts, addresses, web access, Phojo and phone.

    5) Lastly is that millions of people who shoot pictures will one day seamlessly shoot and e-mail their pictures for sharing to printing. I would love to see the Phojo be apart of the future.

    Sincerely,
    Mitchell Zachs
    MagicalPhotos.com

  4. 4 Scoops October 8, 2007 at 9:38 pm

    If an ad hoc wifi can be set-up in the iPhone then images can be uploaded to the iPhone using a wirless adaptor for the Canon and Nikon cameras, images can then be sent out of the slow EDGE network!

    Have you approached Apple about developing for the iPhone? What has been their response to you?

  5. 5 Paul Nolan October 9, 2007 at 8:15 am

    Leaving aside for a moment the question of why you would want to upload on the slow EDGE network when you could be using the fast HSDPA network (1-8KB/s vs 25-40KB/s), can you actually set up the iPhone to create an ad-hoc WiFi network? If you can then there might be something I can do with it.

    I just heard today that the USB Host support on the Toshiba G900 works, so methinks that will become my new recommendation for Europe (wrong HSDPA frequency for the US, only supports EDGE in the US. Although, maybe that isn’t as big a problem as I thought?).

  6. 6 Kredyt January 5, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Hi!
    “is this the end of Pocket PCs?” … hmmm … afcourse no, it isn’t… for houndreds of reasons.

  7. 7 Ogloszenia nieruchomosci January 6, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Kredyty: I disagree ;]
    ——–

  8. 8 Biometria January 7, 2008 at 8:19 am

    …slow EDGE network… I’m glad for that speed ;) Better then GPRS :D

  9. 9 gbreyssem January 9, 2008 at 12:54 am

    I read last week the iPhone will get to 3G end of this year…

  10. 10 Edmond June 13, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Hi Paul,

    Well, the 3G iPhone will be out in a few weeks and there is an SDK available for developers. I guess the only issue left is getting a card reader to work which was possible on the older iPods. I think it would be a killer system :-)

  11. 11 Bob Donaldson June 25, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Belkin makes a card reader that plugs into the iPod dock slot. Beathlessly awaiting your porting to the iPhone/iPod Touch…

  12. 12 Paul Nolan June 25, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    You had me all excited there Bob, but a) it doesn’t work with the iPhone, and b) it’s far too slow and unreliable according to users: http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B0000TNJU4/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful?_encoding=UTF8&coliid=&showViewpoints=1&colid=&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

    Anyone able to get ad-hoc networking working?

  13. 13 John Koster July 3, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    The iPhone has killed my pocket Pc, I no longer carry my pocket pc on a daily basis, all that is missing is phojo?

  14. 14 Brett Flashnick July 6, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    With the release of the iPhone 3G only a few days away, and the fact that the SDK has been on the street for a few months now, is there any chance a Pocket Phojo app for iPhone 3G could be on the horizon, and give a reason to get rid of this BlackBerry?

  15. 15 Tony McDonough July 31, 2008 at 6:45 am

    Are there any updates on using Phojo with the newer iphones ?

  16. 16 Paul Nolan July 31, 2008 at 8:01 am

    It looks like the only way to get images in is via a Canon/Nikon WiFi transmitter, adding about $800 to the cost of the iPhone. Are you still interested?

  17. 17 Matt Kirwan August 20, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    I’d be interested to see Phojo for the Iphone – the only reason I have held off buying one is lack of phojo, it would simply be ‘yet another’ device to carry.
    In an ideal world, it would have a USB slot to attach a card reader (Is there an adapter available? iphone slot –> to CF converter) would be perfect?
    I think wireless would be great for IRES – but in a real time environment, wiring all pics to the phone would be far too much data, its easier to just view card and edit from it…

  18. 18 Frantzesco August 23, 2008 at 9:42 am

    Is there not a way to convert the large USB plug on the end of the standard Apple dock/charging cable to a mini USB and then plug directly in to the camera? That’s probably already been thought of. It really would be great to be able to use phojo on the iPhone I’m writing this comment on. I’d definitely be interested in buying the software if there could be way to transfer pictures without resorting to expensive and potentially unreliable wifi.

  19. 19 Paul Nolan August 23, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    I can only work with what I`m given I`m afraid, Apple confirmed there is no way for apps to access the USB port, the only way to get images in would be via a WiFi transmitter.

  20. 20 Ko van Leeuwen October 17, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    I will have the WFT-E3 wifi transmitter for my Canon camera within a week. The iPhone within 2 weeks. The WFT because I do not want any cables on my camera. The iPhone I orded just before I knew about Idruna. So no cables and cardreaders for me but I am very interrested in using Idruna. Will it be possible in the near future?

  21. 21 Paul Nolan October 18, 2008 at 6:14 am

    Hi Ko,

    As you can see from the lack of replies above, there has been a lot of excitement from customers initially, but then most people lose interest when they realize what is involved with requiring the WFT etc. The Windows mobile devices, while not as sexy, do have the advantage of having the features needed to get the job done. Actually HTC has been working on making their devices a little sexier since the iPhone, have you see the Touch HD, Diamond Pro etc?

  22. 22 Ko van Leeuwen October 19, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Hi Paul,

    I am not interrested in an sexy device, only in a working device ;-)
    The question still remains whether the combination camera/wft will work with the iPhone? If not, will the camera/wft work with one of the other devices?
    This is what I want: I take pictures, make a selection and send them to the newsagency. Due to bad wheater conditions and movebility I do not want any cables. So I like to use wifi to transport the photo’s to the tabletpc/pocketpc/iphone and from there send them to the newsagency. Will this work?
    BTW: Do I need Ires AND Phojo or is Phojo sufficient?

  23. 23 Paul Nolan October 19, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Aha, a pragmatist, I think I can be of service :) What you want to do is not practical with the iPhone, but Phojo running on a Windows Mobile device, or IRES running on a UMPC will handle it nicely. (Phojo has the IRES feature built-in if you are interested in remote editing). Where are you located, what is your budget, and how many photos will you be handling per day (tens, hundreds, thousands etc)? Let me know and I`ll see what hardware would suit your needs best.

  24. 24 Ko van Leeuwen October 19, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    >Aha, a pragmatist
    Yep ;-)

    I am in The Netherlands.

    My budget is not defined yet but will be fair.

    The numbers of photo’s is somewhere between 25 and 1000 per day but only 2 to 15 have to be send away. But they have to be send as soon as possible. I am also thinking of a seperate phone and tabletpc/umpc t asure I can always use the phone while handling the photo’s. The disadvantage is having to carry two devices.
    (New in The Netherlands is a USB-dongle you can use to connect any laptop/tabletpc/umpc to the Internet).

  25. 25 Paul Nolan October 19, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    A Windows Mobile phone would be able to handle that volume easily. You can make and receive voice calls while transmitting. As you don’t need the ability to connect your camera to your phone via USB, you have a wide array of phones that will work for you. I prefer ones with MicroSD slots, so that if you can’t use WiFi for any reason, you can shoot on MicroSD cards to get images into the phone very easily. Expansys.nl has the HTC Touch Pro. I have not tested this particular device as it is so new, but there should not be any problems as Phojo works with every other WM5/6/6.1 phone.

    http://www.expansys.nl/d.aspx?i=169420

    They also have the OQO with built-in HSDPA (having it built-in is more reliable, the USB sticks can get jogged or pulled out):
    http://www.expansys.nl/p.aspx?i=172372

  26. 26 Ko van Leeuwen October 19, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Thanks Paul,

    I appriciate the time you spend on advicing me. I will install trialversion on a small laptop and use it during a big lifeguard trainingoperation next weekend. After that I will take a decision.

  27. 27 Ko van Leeuwen October 20, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Paul,

    it will be the T-Mobile MDA Compact IV (same as HTC Touch Diamond). No sliding keyboard, Windows Mobile 6.1, 4GB solid state disk, VGA-screen, 65.000 colors, GPS and HSDPA.
    To bad HSDPA has a lower upload then download :-(

  28. 28 Paul Nolan October 21, 2008 at 12:06 am

    That is a nice phone, but note that it doesn’t have the card slot that I recommend, and the battery is about 50% small than the Pro version (WiFi+HSDPA drinks a lot of juice). I see T-Mobile.nl has the Pro listed as the Vario IV, and that they also have the Omnia, which might be worth a look, I can’t remember what the situation is with the slot on that one.

    Let me know if you need help setting it up. The Windows Mobile version can automatically configure all your WiFi settings for you, but that has to be done manually under Windows XP/Vista.

  29. 29 erwin November 2, 2008 at 9:58 am

    dear paul nolan,

    i have a question:

    i own a hp hx47oo pocket pc with windows mobile 6 on it installed.
    also i have idruna phojo 5.0 to work with, but my digital nikon D1x
    won’t be recongized by its digital captioned photo’s. Why is that?

    i really want to work with phojo and my nikon D1X

    thanks for youw answer end solution!

    with kind regards, erwin from holland

  30. 30 Paul Nolan November 2, 2008 at 10:35 am

    I`m not sure what you mean, could you provide more details on how to reproduce the problem, and any error messages etc?

  31. 31 erwin November 24, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Dear Paul,

    sorry for my late reaction!

    errormessage while trying to read the raw and jpg pictures from the compactflashcard are : error cannot read thr pictures card not recognized

    I know from surfing on subject phojo and it’s various versions thst in version 5.0 nikon D2x will match on it, but does thst still counts for my nikon D1x?

    many thanks for giving me a solution for my problem.

    sincere greetings from erwin from holland

  32. 32 Paul Nolan November 26, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Are you able to view the thumbnails on the card? What size is the card, and what Pocket PC/phone are you using?

  33. 33 erwin December 6, 2008 at 3:20 am

    Dear Paul,

    I am using a hp hx4700 windows mobile 6.0 pocket pc and indeed I can see on my compact flash card of 1gig lexar the thumb nails but that only counts for the jpeg-files.

    Paul, is it true that raw nef files of nikon D1x cannot be opened with phojo 5.0 ?

    again thanks for your answer.

    erwin

  34. 34 Paul Nolan December 6, 2008 at 6:01 am

    If you aren’t using Phojo 5.0, that might explain the problem, I haven’t heard of any similar reports. Phojo 5.0 can read the embedded JPEG file inside the RAW file, at the following resolution:

    Canon 20D, 1D Mark II/N 1536 x 1024
    Canon 5D 2496 x 1664
    Nikon D2Hs 2464 x 1632
    Nikon D2X/D2Xs 4288×2848
    Nikon D200 3872×2592
    Nikon D2H, D100 160×120

    It can also read from the newer models in high res. The D1x might fall into the same category as the D2H, where the JPEG is too small to use. If you have a link to a NEF file, I`ll try it here for you.

  35. 35 erwin December 7, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    dear Paul,

    thanks for your quick reply!

    I know now everything of how to use phojo 5.0 in a correct way
    by using it with my sturdy nikon d1x.

    I don’t know how to give you a link, but again from my point of view my thanks in making time for me.

    wish you all the luck and prosparity & a marry christmas 2008
    and all the best for 2009!

    sincere greetings from erwin from holland


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